tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post923819380960048044..comments2023-12-26T10:22:04.630-05:00Comments on Things of My Soul: Bruce R. McConkie Was a Descendant of CainPapa Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-28835902064317695022009-09-02T21:46:58.560-04:002009-09-02T21:46:58.560-04:00LOVE this.LOVE this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466860937596192472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-2682401173451041932009-08-20T21:57:54.511-04:002009-08-20T21:57:54.511-04:00You're welcome, R. Gary. It is brutally hard ...You're welcome, R. Gary. It is brutally hard to discuss this issue without the advantage of being able to talk at LENGTH and in great detail. In most cases, assumptions color how something is read - meaning most of the time is spent clarifying and filling in cracks and, too often, talking past each other. <br /><br />I do believe Pres. Kimball was inspired as a prophet and as the Prophet.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-88682076916666925132009-08-20T18:53:09.594-04:002009-08-20T18:53:09.594-04:00Thanks, Ray. Seriously. Your linked post is great....Thanks, Ray. Seriously. Your linked post is great. I guess Kimball's 1973 paragraph stands.R. Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930938925578138748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-57512397714478193752009-08-20T15:30:54.473-04:002009-08-20T15:30:54.473-04:00R. Gary,
The following is a compilation of quote...R. Gary, <br /><br />The following is a compilation of quotes by propets and apostles since 1978: <br /><br />http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2009/04/repudiating-racist-justifications-once.html <br /><br />These quotes lay out my own view very well.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-75814423945194398582009-08-20T13:22:39.232-04:002009-08-20T13:22:39.232-04:00When President Kimball spoke those words in 1973, ...When President Kimball spoke those words in 1973, I was listening. What I heard was a true prophet. And yes, in 1978 things changed. But I haven't seen any "further light and knowledge" that says—and current leaders are NOT saying—Kimball was wrong in 1973.<br /><br />And for what it is worth, <a href="http://ndbf.net/002a.htm" rel="nofollow">click here</a> to read why I don't R. Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930938925578138748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-34535266462321662792009-08-20T08:28:35.339-04:002009-08-20T08:28:35.339-04:00R. Gary, I accept what Elder McConkie himself said...R. Gary, I accept what Elder McConkie himself said after the ban was lifted and what the current apostles now are saying. <br /><br />I've never thought that the apostles and even Prophets are correct in everything they say - that they are infallible in any way, so I am OK with accepting "further light and knowledge" that changes former practices - even radically. <br /><br />FwiwPapa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-52987749099128410662009-08-20T02:57:15.339-04:002009-08-20T02:57:15.339-04:00Ray, I have a question. It is one question that co...Ray, I have a question. It is one question that comes in three parts.<br /><br />Part one. Half a century ago, I was taught that race was (to use Brad's words) a "marker of lineage." Now, I'm being told that it isn't possible for any one group to be descendants of Cain because, if Cain has any descendants alive today, then everyone on the face of the earth is a descendant ofR. Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930938925578138748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-26185644925666956942009-08-19T18:08:05.200-04:002009-08-19T18:08:05.200-04:00Ray,
Thank you for linking to Brad’s powerful, wel...Ray,<br />Thank you for linking to Brad’s powerful, well written post. The McConkie title summarizes Brad’s points in an attention getting way.Howardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-55059261967275736982009-08-18T17:32:55.642-04:002009-08-18T17:32:55.642-04:00Ben, that is a fair criticism of some of the comme...Ben, that is a fair criticism of some of the comments - and I really do appreciate the clarification. My main desire is that people read the post, since it makes a VERY important point. <br /><br />It's almost impossible to contain fully the way that individual commenters try to steer a discussion in a group setting, but Brad did a valiant job of trying to defend Elder McConkie and keep thePapa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-32636357985366298862009-08-18T17:11:56.480-04:002009-08-18T17:11:56.480-04:00I should probably just leave it alone, but unlike ...I should probably just leave it alone, but unlike some of the other commenters think, I did read the article and nearly all the comments. <br /><br />I did think the article had a great deal of good to say, I just think it the line used as a title for this post was unfortunate and probably used to rile up some people, which it did.<br /><br />The problem I have with it is it descends from a Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-55677916108134793932009-08-18T14:41:14.292-04:002009-08-18T14:41:14.292-04:00I wonder how many of your complaining commenters, ...I wonder how many of your complaining commenters, Ray, bothered to read past the title? Did any of them read to the very last line, which is the whole point?<br /><br /><em>The power of the Priesthood to bind us together as families and across generations, through time and eternity gives it a meaning and significance that genes could never impart, worlds without end.</em><br /><br />I don't Ardis E. Parshallhttp://www.keepapitchinin.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-15128458081834201002009-08-18T14:10:12.030-04:002009-08-18T14:10:12.030-04:00and to make this crystal clear, this is a soapbox ...and to make this crystal clear, this is a soapbox issue for me for one simple reason: <br /><br />I have heard the former race-based justifications over and over and over again, and we simply have to accept what Elder McConkie HIMSELF and other apostles and prophets have said since 1978. We simply MUST stop viewing race the way it has been viewed for so long. <br /><br />Frankly, those who Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-55849315358453298272009-08-18T13:57:03.970-04:002009-08-18T13:57:03.970-04:00*sigh*
I have never spoken evil of the Lord'...*sigh* <br /><br />I have never spoken evil of the Lord's annointed in my life, and I never will. <br /><br />I have said in many places, including here, how much I admire and love Elder McConkie. It's really sad when anyone - on EITHER side of ANY issue - jumps to conclusions about something without reading slowly and carefully. <br /><br />Let me re-state something in a way that can&Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-58577700881737776622009-08-18T13:27:51.318-04:002009-08-18T13:27:51.318-04:00Man, that's the perfect blog post title.Man, that's the perfect blog post title.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00192782073599360746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-78852930267632563322009-08-18T13:16:56.965-04:002009-08-18T13:16:56.965-04:00I share the same general feelings as the first com...I share the same general feelings as the first commenter. I read the article, thought it had some good things to say, but was marred by its potshots at BRM. <br /><br />There is a difference between critiquing his statements on the basis of new understanding and holding up for ridicule, as this post headline does. Its meant to get a rise out of folks who take seriously the covenant to avoid &Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-88866448399880439682009-08-18T13:13:27.003-04:002009-08-18T13:13:27.003-04:00The choice of title reminds me of Mike Huckabee...The choice of title reminds me of Mike Huckabee's smearing of Mitt Romney regarding LDS belief in the pre-existence & Jesus being Lucifer's brother; technically defensible as literal truth, but designed to shock/incite/inflame in the way it is couched/framed.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-84948438711536004862009-08-18T12:20:18.024-04:002009-08-18T12:20:18.024-04:00As many know, this is a topic that is near and dea...As many know, this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart. I want people to read Brad's post - and in his first follow-up comment he said he had almost titled his post this way.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-27608255323836307962009-08-18T12:14:23.814-04:002009-08-18T12:14:23.814-04:00Umm, it seems like your title is... ummmm... a bit...Umm, it seems like your title is... ummmm... a bit ..ummmm.. inflammatory.. <br /><br />Why?Michaela Stephenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04163084369311708249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-14370713648637778632009-08-18T08:09:49.790-04:002009-08-18T08:09:49.790-04:00R. Gary, I agree that Elder McConkie was a great m...R. Gary, I agree that Elder McConkie was a great man, an apostle and a wonderful historian. I am amazed by and thankful for much of what he wrote in Mormon Doctrine, even as I would have no problem if it went out of print. I also believe he was dead wrong in his ideas about race, as his own statement indicated after the ban was lifted. I don't see any problem with those three statements Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-88201982423232136552009-08-18T05:45:33.056-04:002009-08-18T05:45:33.056-04:00I read your link, including all of the comments.
...I read your link, including all of the comments.<br /><br />McConkie was a giant. He died 24 years ago. Some of this controversy over Mormon Doctrine conjures up in my mind the image of a yappy little dog growling over the body of a dead lion.R. Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930938925578138748noreply@blogger.com