tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post6282323333280457143..comments2023-12-26T10:22:04.630-05:00Comments on Things of My Soul: A Version of Lucifer's Plan I've Heard Some LDS Members AdvocatePapa Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-69015274943005107392011-07-08T21:36:39.372-04:002011-07-08T21:36:39.372-04:00Two words: Milgram ExperimentTwo words: Milgram ExperimentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-56435629472824902452011-07-08T21:20:38.401-04:002011-07-08T21:20:38.401-04:00Sorry, one more point I intended to make:
The Pr...Sorry, one more point I intended to make: <br /><br />The Prophet is not "any church leader" - and that is a HUGE point, imo, even if only in degree.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-84016771208765472972011-07-08T21:19:02.432-04:002011-07-08T21:19:02.432-04:00I just thought of a much shorter, simpler way to s...I just thought of a much shorter, simpler way to say it, Rich: <br /><br />I believe it is my responsibility to go to the Lord for confirmation of anything I am asked to do that is contrary to my sense of morality and what I believe to be right. <br /><br />One option is to ask, "Should I do this, even though I don't think it's right?" Another approach is to say, "I don&#Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-23345747777467332442011-07-08T21:10:38.800-04:002011-07-08T21:10:38.800-04:00Honestly, Rich, I'm a bit torn about that quot...Honestly, Rich, I'm a bit torn about that quote. It mixes two things: 1) a Prophet asking an individual to do something; 2) the President of the Church leading "the people" astray. <br /><br />I truly don't like the stance of doing whatever someone else says to do no matter what it is. I also believe DEEPLY in the Gift of the Holy Ghost and the ability of God to speak to eachPapa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-86393182755047370142011-07-08T17:42:49.863-04:002011-07-08T17:42:49.863-04:00Papa D, Is the following excerpt from Dan Peterson...Papa D, Is the <a href="http://www.mormontimes.com/article/21451/Keeping-our-eye-on-the-president-of-the-church" rel="nofollow">following excerpt</a> from Dan Peterson in the same line of what you are opposed to?<br /><br />On another occasion, President Romney recalled taking President Grant home following a speech in then-Bishop Romney's ward:<br /><br />"Standing by me, he put his armRichard Algerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921970283086332560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-26633461606215512672011-07-08T17:25:05.947-04:002011-07-08T17:25:05.947-04:00I'm so sorry to hear about situations like you...I'm so sorry to hear about situations like you describe, Anonymous. I know they occur, but they still break my heart to read about them. <br /><br />God bless you and yours - and, fwiw, as I've shared in other posts, I believe DEEPLY that our 2nd Article of Faith is MUCH more powerful and broad than most, if not all, of us understand. <br /><br />I hope that recognition helps somehow Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-71889960498094169372011-07-08T17:19:39.561-04:002011-07-08T17:19:39.561-04:00Amen,Ray.I've been trying to hold this line in...Amen,Ray.I've been trying to hold this line in my lonely little outpost,but the message didn't get through till too late.<br /><br />We too had our recommends put on the line in a situation where the church authority concerned wanted to actively usurp our authority as parents ,insisting that we take our teen for interviewing as he required.Bad times.That young person no longer attends Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-36982819766367060852011-07-08T13:16:11.426-04:002011-07-08T13:16:11.426-04:00Amen, SR - to everything in your last comment.Amen, SR - to everything in your last comment.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-72675395536290173202011-07-08T12:49:32.440-04:002011-07-08T12:49:32.440-04:00I understand your perspective on Satan's plan ...I understand your perspective on Satan's plan better, now. I agree. I do think that Satan's plan to take away our agency involves more than simply doing whatever we are told. I think he actually wanted to remove the need to be told anything. More to the point, I think his plan had to do with making our successful obedience his success (his glory.) In contrast, the Savior counted His SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-83784101212676319532011-07-08T11:08:02.996-04:002011-07-08T11:08:02.996-04:00Glenn, I'm not sure MMM was an example of blin...Glenn, I'm not sure MMM was an example of blind obedience for everyone involved, but it certainly seems to have been for some - especially those who wrote subsequently about not feeling good about it but participating only because their leader told them to do so. <br /><br />Matt, that is an excellent reference. <br /><br />SR, as I tried to make clear in the post, I have NO problem with the Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-82298027878373385592011-07-08T10:10:13.099-04:002011-07-08T10:10:13.099-04:00"Subverting" is not the right word. &quo..."Subverting" is not the right word. "Submitting" is what I intended to use.SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-47844955650509828042011-07-08T10:09:05.349-04:002011-07-08T10:09:05.349-04:00I have attended the temple often and this; "W...I have attended the temple often and this; "Women in the temple are told quite clearly that they have NO obligation to hearken to their husbands simply because they are their husbands . . ." is something I've never heard said in the temple.<br /><br />I agree that just doing what we are told is not God's will, but I don't think that it is "Satan's plan in a nutshellSilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-28930134961591889002011-07-08T02:31:54.495-04:002011-07-08T02:31:54.495-04:00This reminds me of David Bednar teaching about the...This reminds me of David Bednar teaching about the importance of disagreeing with leaders.<br /><br />http://lds.org/gospellibrary/leadership/hr-2010-02-leadership-elder-david-a-bednar-conversation-eng.pdfMatt W.http://newcoolthang.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-3765278572351040282011-07-08T01:38:58.025-04:002011-07-08T01:38:58.025-04:00I agree. Blind obedience brings MMM to mind.
Glen...I agree. Blind obedience brings MMM to mind.<br /><br />GlennGlenn Thigpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289698106336334148noreply@blogger.com