tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post4528699753495491088..comments2023-12-26T10:22:04.630-05:00Comments on Things of My Soul: An Amazing Lesson on Race: Oh, That We Had Understood and FollowedPapa Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-45451733215961397722010-04-08T12:06:58.440-04:002010-04-08T12:06:58.440-04:00Jared,
You may have hit the reasoning of the bret...Jared,<br /><br />You may have hit the reasoning of the brethren for not talking about the priesthood ban. If we do not talk about it we will not learn one of the most important lessons from our history. How can we learn that we can still have a testimony of modern revelation even if the Brethren are affected my their own world view?gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11812337885775588481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-45820043876082883842010-04-08T11:59:36.805-04:002010-04-08T11:59:36.805-04:00Ray,
Great post, although I think we read it with...Ray,<br /><br />Great post, although I think we read it with tainted eyes. Few people ever see themselves as prejudice. If you read comments from the leaders of the time they will call for equal rights for all in one line than say things that smack of clear unadulterated bigotry when looking through our 21 century eyes.<br /><br />I would like to share two examples.<br /><br />In 1946 in a talk gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11812337885775588481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-24334930209538531832009-04-28T09:06:00.000-04:002009-04-28T09:06:00.000-04:00Sorry, I forgot to mention that I "enjoyed" so muc...Sorry, I forgot to mention that I "enjoyed" so much LAST WEEK to look at the contrast between my sister and my cousin. Beside they are just a year apart. My sister is going on 19 and my cousin going on 20 and they're about the same height. <br />It was really a delight to look at them and to think that they belong to the same family and even better: to see them getting along so well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-44193998042942292992009-04-28T09:03:00.000-04:002009-04-28T09:03:00.000-04:00I love this post.
I have already said on your blog...I love this post.<br />I have already said on your blog how I have been raised regarding skin color issue and it bothered me much when I was on my mission to hear about the bible justifications for such a point of view. Worse when I talked to my mission president about it and he came up with a good bible scripture about it. I loved (and still do) this man and somewhere I felt that no matter how Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-66072891995989766822009-04-27T09:35:00.000-04:002009-04-27T09:35:00.000-04:00If we'd had correlation in 1935 this lesson would ...If we'd had correlation in 1935 this lesson would never have been published.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-44084742155435674202009-04-26T19:46:00.000-04:002009-04-26T19:46:00.000-04:00Thank you, Mom, for that perspective. It fits SO ...Thank you, Mom, for that perspective. It fits SO well the central message of the lesson quoted here - that prejudice and discrimination based on skin color really is a man-made construct.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-5586173367458741492009-04-26T19:45:00.000-04:002009-04-26T19:45:00.000-04:00Prejudice is alive and well among us.
It's not ju...Prejudice is alive and well among us.<br /><br />It's not just Black vs. White. What about white vs white - the "po' white trash" or the "other side of the tracks"? And Black vs. Black?<br /><br />In the Dominican Republic virtually everyone who is not "transplanted" has Black lineage to some degree or another. (I didn't know there were so many shades of black until I lived among them.) Yet the Mom Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-62086848145932932912009-04-25T21:05:00.000-04:002009-04-25T21:05:00.000-04:00My youngest daughter (6) just informed me that she...My youngest daughter (6) just informed me that she typed a comment and that her comment means, "Complain more." (She said it is so she can make fun of me.) <br /><br />The joys of parenthood! (and, yeah, she knows how to get to my blog - kind of surprising she doesn't leave more comments, the little Twinkie)Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-39913685450113766152009-04-25T20:50:00.000-04:002009-04-25T20:50:00.000-04:00QQmore!Laura.QQmore!Laura.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-71461517445531598522009-04-25T19:53:00.000-04:002009-04-25T19:53:00.000-04:00Bruce, the true irony of this particular issue is ...Bruce, the true irony of this particular issue is that I am advocating going back to the view and practice of THE founding Prophet of this dispensation - since Joseph Smith's words are quoted in the lesson, and since he ordained Black men to the Priesthood (or, at the very least, they were ordained during his life and with his knowledge).Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-8626521743720957152009-04-25T18:51:00.000-04:002009-04-25T18:51:00.000-04:00And of course the other side of the arguement woul...And of course the other side of the arguement would be to support the founding prophets of this dispensation and suspiciously regard anything resembling a contradition.<br /><br />“If any man preach any other gospel than that which I have preached, he shall be cursed;”<br /><br />“How, it may be asked, was this known to be a bad angel? by his contradicting a former revelation.”<br />(Teachings Bruce in Montanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480425208723630243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-80875656414133433392009-04-25T16:09:00.000-04:002009-04-25T16:09:00.000-04:00Jared, I agree with much of what you just said, bu...Jared, I agree with much of what you just said, but I think I need to clarify the "why" of my posts.<br /><br />I wrote my original posts (the first one and the one two weeks ago) after reading and hearing members give brutally horrid justifications for the ban. The latest one was, essentially, that God knew "their culture" would condemn many of them to become Sons of Perdition - and he loved Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-37008892862126913072009-04-25T15:10:00.000-04:002009-04-25T15:10:00.000-04:00Ray--
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
I hav...Ray--<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughtful response.<br /><br />I have a few concerns with keeping the priesthood ban in the forefront.<br /><br />First, nowadays the brethren do not comment on it very often. There is a reason for this.<br /><br />Second, there are far more important concerns in our day that need to be kept before our eyes.<br /><br />Third, it is possible to approach the Jaredhttp://ldsaliveinchrist.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-75862508939666074042009-04-25T13:52:00.000-04:002009-04-25T13:52:00.000-04:00Jared,
You are right; I am. Our modern prophets...Jared, <br /><br />You are right; I am. Our modern prophets and apostles have spoken directly and forcefully, and it bothers me greatly when I hear members who simply won't accept their words and won't let go. This lesson lays out my general feelings very well, even though I had never read it until I saw Ardis' post. <br /><br />I see the results of people, in general, and some members, in Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-42949432592433280022009-04-25T13:21:00.000-04:002009-04-25T13:21:00.000-04:00Ray--
It appears you're determined to keep this i...Ray--<br /><br />It appears you're determined to keep this issue alive. With that said, I would like to ask a question. The Book of Mormon says the following; how do you explain these verses of scripture based on your research and understanding?<br /><br />21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their Jaredhttp://ldsaliveinchrist.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-19281294656853907552009-04-25T00:55:00.000-04:002009-04-25T00:55:00.000-04:00Thanks for spotlighting that 1935 lesson, Ray. It ...Thanks for spotlighting that 1935 lesson, Ray. It makes a nice counterpoint to the statements of some individuals from the same time.<br /><br />It also illustrates the reason why our Sunday lessons and Conference talks so often repeat themselves. It clearly wasn't enough for us to hear this lesson once and then implement it forever after. Think how different some things might have been had this Ardis E. Parshallhttp://www.keepapitchinin.orgnoreply@blogger.com