tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post6225806893845373357..comments2023-12-26T10:22:04.630-05:00Comments on Things of My Soul: Sexual Sins Are NOT Next to MurderPapa Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-44474936593546545932013-11-10T00:01:49.559-05:002013-11-10T00:01:49.559-05:00Yes, there are a lot worse things than adultery or...Yes, there are a lot worse things than adultery or fornication, not that it isn't a very serious sin that effects everything, but I would much rather have my husband commit adultery than not financially support me so I had to work or abuse me or our children. <br /><br />A wife can get mostly over the fact that her husband is having affairs, but having to go to work to pay the bills plus Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-73862328680005459422013-06-21T00:30:28.617-04:002013-06-21T00:30:28.617-04:00I think the two are pretty close together because ...I think the two are pretty close together because the are both closely related. <br /><br />While I was on my Mission, a Ward Mission Leader once told me that "Death was just one side of the revolving door that brought us into this world." <br /><br />In that context, it seems like the most serious sins deal with misusing that "revolving door" - entrance into and out of thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-81813601427611364722011-07-05T15:32:07.898-04:002011-07-05T15:32:07.898-04:00Honestly, Rich, I wasn't thinking of that spec...Honestly, Rich, I wasn't thinking of that specific reference when I wrote this post. The sentence that talks of Alma labeling sexual sin as third in order of seriousness obviously is the idea about which I wrote, but I didn't have that specific reference in mind. <br /><br />I agree with just about everything in the FSOY section on Sexual Purity. That sentence is an obvious exception, Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-25891630752002005672011-07-05T11:54:34.140-04:002011-07-05T11:54:34.140-04:00Andy: "In the end, any sin not removed throug...Andy: "In the end, any sin not removed through the atonement of Christ keeps me from the presence of God so it seems pointless to worry whether I am a heavy or lightweight sinner." Reading 'Believing Christ' helped me understand this. <br /><br />SilverRain: "However, if one insists on accusing others, there is certainly an advantage to ranking sin, but otherwise, I find Richard Algerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921970283086332560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-54795134413187281692011-06-10T15:21:38.775-04:002011-06-10T15:21:38.775-04:00Any sexual sin, without repentance, will not and c...Any sexual sin, without repentance, will not and cannot allow us to live with God again. Period. Is not that the murder of one's soul? aka spiritual death?<br /><br />@grace: President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "When a man has the manifestation from the Holy Ghost, it leaves an indelible impression on his soul, one that is not easily erased. It is Spirit speaking to spirit, and it My Heart Squaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682463713795874520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-84072244163306808832011-06-02T23:58:14.983-04:002011-06-02T23:58:14.983-04:00That's a really interesting point, Anonymous -...That's a really interesting point, Anonymous - and I'd never thought about it.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-5490231445112483252011-06-02T22:23:18.415-04:002011-06-02T22:23:18.415-04:00Add to this that whatever Corianton did, his fathe...Add to this that whatever Corianton did, his father Alma didn't send him home from the mission but sent him back out afterwards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-76537653456977578342011-06-01T12:40:57.372-04:002011-06-01T12:40:57.372-04:00Andy, thanks of that quote from Alma 36:14. That ...Andy, thanks of that quote from Alma 36:14. That is exactly why I view the passage in question the way I do - that Alma talked of his own past actions as akin to murder. I probably will updatge the post to reflect that. <br /><br />Anonymous, I agree totally with your approach - and, as a father of six kids, I understand the need to rank sins. I also believe strongly that sins can and should Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-11525633061019813762011-06-01T12:28:51.350-04:002011-06-01T12:28:51.350-04:00The one reason for "ranking" sins I can ...The one reason for "ranking" sins I can think of is when teaching teenagers, especially when they can't fully think through consequences. When they tend to view the world in black and white and think that getting a tattoo is as bad as adultery. I try to talk to my children and explain things so in a way I do end up ranking sins in their mind, but that is a good thing. I don't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-16714419836099112642011-06-01T12:15:05.285-04:002011-06-01T12:15:05.285-04:00Great comments everyone. If I can just add a few ...Great comments everyone. If I can just add a few more thoughts. <br /><br />I agree that if Corianton committed any sexual sin it was most likely fornication. However, we have no definitive proof that he actually did anything more than simply "go...after the harlot Isabel." But whether or not he actually did anything with her doesn't matter in the context of the spiritual harm Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-74912583741254000322011-06-01T11:44:14.272-04:002011-06-01T11:44:14.272-04:00"I find it kind of like ranking ways to die. ..."I find it kind of like ranking ways to die. True that some are worse than others, but not ultimately helpful." <br /><br />**Applause** <br /><br />Not related, but I remember a man who used to say that there is no such thing as being kind of active in church. He said it's like being kind of pregnant. I don't agree completely with him, but I love the line, nonetheless.Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-62514851486185522242011-06-01T10:42:05.790-04:002011-06-01T10:42:05.790-04:00I agree. Two teenagers transgressing is similar to...I agree. Two teenagers transgressing is similar to two teenagers fighting. Not different in <i>type</i> of sin to severe sexual sin or murder, but certainly different in degree. Kind of like the difference between lying and being a <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/9.34?lang=eng#33" rel="nofollow">liar</a>.<br /><br />However, if one insists on accusing others, there is certainly an SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-83205577738191351552011-06-01T10:32:45.862-04:002011-06-01T10:32:45.862-04:00Oh, and I define "denying the Holy Ghost"...Oh, and I define "denying the Holy Ghost" as akin to looking God in the face and throwing a punch. <br /><br />That's why I believe there are VERY few Sons of Perdition. <br /><br />Andy, thanks for the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah. It is enlightening to note that the classic story has the offering of WOMEN in place of the visiting men as a possible solution. It appears that it Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-2893979367138157092011-06-01T10:32:13.713-04:002011-06-01T10:32:13.713-04:00graceforgrace, I support and sustain the prophets ...graceforgrace, I support and sustain the prophets deeply and passionately - but I don't believe they are infallible. <br /><br />This is a case where I agree 100% with the foundational idea that sexual sins are bad, that some sexual sins are really bad and that some sexual sins actually are "next to murder" in seriousness. (Rape - especially those cases that involve distinct and Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-69987470221639431432011-06-01T09:27:26.330-04:002011-06-01T09:27:26.330-04:00I have long thought about that scripture in the wa...I have long thought about that scripture in the way you describe. Nice post.<br /><br />However, I think sexual sins ARE next to murder, though it isn't that scripture that gives me that impression. Murder is wrong for a few reasons, primarily because it cheats another person of their time of probation and their chance to exercise their agency, and because it takes a divine power—life—and SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-45425441860651505732011-06-01T03:59:39.947-04:002011-06-01T03:59:39.947-04:00Amen. While obviously chastity remains an importa...Amen. While obviously chastity remains an important principle (as you stated) I think the misinterpretation of this passage has caused some Latter-day Saints to emphasize this single category of sin at the expense of almost all others. It's like we've taken the condemnation of sexual sin and turned it into a sort of odd gospel hobby that avoids all other important aspects of the gospel. Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-32496532540099183172011-06-01T00:53:25.358-04:002011-06-01T00:53:25.358-04:00I like this post.
I think that our human minds li...I like this post.<br /><br />I think that our human minds like to categorize things (especially when we are trying to justify sin!) and therefore, we've become accustomed to listing the serious sins. In fact, many prophets have declared that adultery as well as fornication are sins that are "next to murder" (starting with J Reuben Clark in 1942 and quoted by Ezra T Benson, Spencer graceforgracehttp://www.graceforgrace.comnoreply@blogger.com