tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post524445482159011179..comments2023-12-26T10:22:04.630-05:00Comments on Things of My Soul: Reverence: The Kids Aren't the IssuePapa Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-53419648842494125342009-04-23T17:12:00.000-04:002009-04-23T17:12:00.000-04:00Great post, Ray. SilverRain, I think it's wonderf...Great post, Ray. SilverRain, I think it's wonderful that you are *observant* enough to notice someone in need of help. And who knows, maybe that sister is asking herself now, "why on earth did I say no??" I will say, we also need to be cautious of the line between helping and interfering. Reverence has been difficult for my children, though it has improved as they get older. I've always jennycheriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01747417938062099583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-77633046943714592632009-04-22T17:03:00.000-04:002009-04-22T17:03:00.000-04:00Back when I had 3 young kids (4, 2, newborn) churc...Back when I had 3 young kids (4, 2, newborn) church was a nightmare. Ray had a calling that took him to a different branch with a meeting afterwards. He was never there to help get the kids ready or to be in our meetings. I grew up in a home where it was instilled that you sit with family at church. As a young mom I could not bring myself to ask anyone to help me with the kids, largely because ofMama Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02647417825144481742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-49695965177137470032009-04-22T16:32:00.000-04:002009-04-22T16:32:00.000-04:00SilverRain, I think you raise a really interesting...SilverRain, I think you raise a really interesting topic worthy of its own post, or at least sociological study. Why is it that people get offended when help is offered? Do they feel they'd be admitting failure since they can't do it on their own? (Whatever it is). I see this time and time again, yet it's so contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ. (We ALL need help!).Clean Cuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383123314458721660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-68714067703742191562009-04-22T16:31:00.000-04:002009-04-22T16:31:00.000-04:00I can't respond to all the comments right now, but...I can't respond to all the comments right now, but just a couple of points: <br /><br />1) Leadership really is the key. Our good bishop nearly wore himself out for months asking for and modeling reverence. For example, he insisted that the bishopric be in their seats and listening to the prelude music for the final five minutes before the meeting started. It finally worked, and the result nowPapa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-26086924508734100722009-04-22T13:45:00.000-04:002009-04-22T13:45:00.000-04:00There is one lady in our ward with four children u...There is one lady in our ward with four children under 6 years old. When I stepped way out of my comfort zone to offer help, she was (to put it mildly) displeased. Later, her husband told me that she didn't like to be helped.<br /><br />And yet, her children disrupt the meeting, flinging snack food* around the room which their parents both desperately shove at them, and cause general mayhem.<br /SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-72413736741955716822009-04-22T12:16:00.000-04:002009-04-22T12:16:00.000-04:00I think there is also a clear lack of understandin...I think there is also a clear lack of understanding from members.<br />Last sunday was specially noisy to me and I stopped listening to the talks to listen to the room. I thought it was a beautiful noise. Children do make noise but this is because we think that the place where they belong to is with their parents listening to talks and worshiping God.<br />So my reaction to members being anoyed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-53183993548480255842009-04-22T10:16:00.000-04:002009-04-22T10:16:00.000-04:00Fantastic observations Ray. I confess that there ...Fantastic observations Ray. I confess that there are times when, as I am reverently trying to soak in the talks, I have become irritated because a noisy child was not taken out of the room. But I sit in the front, and I don't know the circumstances behind what I am hearing. Point #4gave me a slap up the side of my head. Thanks for opening my eyes. And my heart.Christyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878083089636912645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-77481948845178828122009-04-22T09:12:00.000-04:002009-04-22T09:12:00.000-04:00I'll go a step further. Leaders are the issue. I...I'll go a step further. Leaders are the issue. If the people who attend ward council deliberately kept their work out of the chapel, then there would be little need for the bishop to remind the congregation to be reverent.John Mansfieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-70341277273043514522009-04-22T08:19:00.000-04:002009-04-22T08:19:00.000-04:00I have always struggled with this problem. As a si...I have always struggled with this problem. As a single mom I occasionally missed going to church because 'I just couldn't deal with it'. So, I do have much sympathy with that situation. <br /> BUT- what really gets me are the parents who are completely OBLIVIOUS to their children fighting/talking loudly during the meeting. Geez- I'd like some kind of reminder to whisper.Louann and Barihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14330327258930266173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-68152045335070931302009-04-22T05:29:00.000-04:002009-04-22T05:29:00.000-04:00Great post,sad in a way that we do have to spell t...Great post,sad in a way that we do have to spell this stuff out,but we really do and your thoughts here need wider dissemination.We always sat on the front row when DH was on bishopric so that they would be under his nose and convenient to his participation in discipleship.Otherwise I would have constantly been running after kids running up the aisle as i see poor parents doing,particularly womenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-86272987222068923962009-04-22T01:13:00.000-04:002009-04-22T01:13:00.000-04:00Jami, we've never done practice Sacrament Meetings...Jami, we've never done practice Sacrament Meetings. I'm not much into any kind of role playing. <br /><br />Congrats on your husband's release. *grin*Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-33603105900350288182009-04-22T00:59:00.000-04:002009-04-22T00:59:00.000-04:00We've done practice Sacrament Meetings for years w...We've done practice Sacrament Meetings for years with very little effect. I'm always interested in the success stories of others. I'll have to try the "just thinking" after story time.<br /><br />Sacrament Meeting suffering is about to get much less painful. My husband was released as the chorister, so now he can sit with us again. (And there was much rejoicing.)Jamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11049138813340800745noreply@blogger.com