tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post1974116539107201888..comments2023-12-26T10:22:04.630-05:00Comments on Things of My Soul: The Religious Foundation of ChastityPapa Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-68083321756693269362009-03-15T11:43:00.000-04:002009-03-15T11:43:00.000-04:00This post resonates strongly with a talk by Jeffre...This post resonates strongly with a talk by Jeffrey R. Holland. I believe the title is, "On Souls, Symbols and Sacraments" but could be slightly off.<BR/><BR/>It put forward the same idea though -- that the marriage relationship is an extremely sacred way of joining two souls. So much so that he went so far as to call it a sacrament.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16637903015592683300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-7239326478243119052009-03-11T14:32:00.000-04:002009-03-11T14:32:00.000-04:00Absolutely, mfranti. I know too many women who ha...Absolutely, mfranti. I know too many women who have had similar experiences to yours, and what you are teaching her is essentially the same thing I'm describing minus the explicit religious component. That's cool, since I believe the basic and fundamental principle can be adapted to individual circumstances and still retain much of its power. <BR/><BR/>Fwiw, there is a new member of our ward Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-38561999090732122362009-03-11T14:03:00.000-04:002009-03-11T14:03:00.000-04:00...and i just want to make it clear that i am no w......and i just want to make it clear that i am no way critiquing your methods.<BR/><BR/>i admire what you are doing (sure,i'm a little bit jealous that your life _seems_so much calmer than mine)<BR/><BR/> i just think, given my past and the baggage i've given to petunia on her journey here, it's best that we take a more secular? route.<BR/><BR/>i suppose if you knew the whole story all of this mfrantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08335465736030278659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-16533434783051060982009-03-11T14:00:00.000-04:002009-03-11T14:00:00.000-04:00ray, thanks for the clarification.i mostly agree w...ray, thanks for the clarification.<BR/><BR/>i mostly agree with you comments.<BR/><BR/>with petunia, i've taken most of the religion out of it and focused on virtue (don't know how i feel about this word) and trust and companionship and self worth because sex is wonderful when it's shared with your life partner/spouse.<BR/><BR/>i figure, she understands what is expected of her from her religion..mfrantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08335465736030278659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-87440515344509635572009-03-10T18:27:00.000-04:002009-03-10T18:27:00.000-04:00mfranti, we live in a time that allows our childre...mfranti, we live in a time that allows our children to have sex without much fear of getting pregnant, as long as they understand birth control. If we focus exclusively (or even primarily) on the Law of Chastity being about procreation (having kids), we lose right from the start. (much like how the debate over homosexuality was lost the instant the religionists made it a scientific issue by Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-75141482947098620392009-03-10T18:13:00.000-04:002009-03-10T18:13:00.000-04:00I think, in our modern world, we simply have to re...I think, in our modern world, we simply have to remove children from the equation when we discuss chastity.<BR/><BR/>ray, i'm dense. <BR/><BR/>what exactly are you saying here?mfrantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08335465736030278659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-42037260335598403782009-03-05T18:59:00.000-05:002009-03-05T18:59:00.000-05:00For the sake of balanced discussion, perhaps I sho...For the sake of balanced discussion, perhaps I should state that Mama is not quite as understanding as Papa. I firmly believe in and strive to live the principle of "love the sinner but not the sin," but I still struggle to accept homosexuality as "okay" in any way. I am not a homophobe nor turned off by those who choose alternate lifestyles, but I cannot accept it.<BR/><BR/>I know those who haveMama Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02647417825144481742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-62458658729865808992009-03-04T17:07:00.000-05:002009-03-04T17:07:00.000-05:00I think this is why it is so crucial to teach our ...I think this is why it is so crucial to teach our children about this in our own homes and not rely on the school system to educate them. We as LDS understand how sacred an act this is between a husband and wife becoming unified, where as others don't understand or choose not to believe that. I'm am so grateful my dad taught me this principle even though he isn't a member.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738690586715306577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-63643358946405256262009-03-04T14:34:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:34:00.000-05:00Thanks Papa D.That was one of the most eloquent po...Thanks Papa D.<BR/><BR/>That was one of the most eloquent posts on the subject that I have ever read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-30497563634621402112009-03-04T13:20:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:20:00.000-05:00Shawn, I will support my children in whatever they...Shawn, I will support my children in whatever they choose - and I recognize fully the inherent tension in what I written and the Church's stance on homosexual activity. My sons are nearly adults and most definitely are straight, but if one of my daughters is lesbian, I will support whatever decision she makes relative to her sexual choices. <BR/><BR/>I understand and appreciate those who say Papa Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704974609266088416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-1995386961071041772009-03-04T11:58:00.000-05:002009-03-04T11:58:00.000-05:00What an interesting (and true) perspective on Marr...What an interesting (and true) perspective on Marriage. I hear what Shawn is saying, but I believe the point of the post is 100% valid; to add caveats (same sex marriage, marrying outside the church, etc.) would have distracted from the concept that was trying to be conveyed. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the reminder on how to make my marriage celestial!KrizteeTrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147271601778844604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-73760021824643239892009-03-04T10:07:00.000-05:002009-03-04T10:07:00.000-05:00Your theory is all very nice and good. However, y...Your theory is all very nice and good. However, you need to think through this very carefully. What if one of your sons or daughters comes to you in late adolescence and tells you they are gay or lesbian? Based upon what you have taught them, there is no reason for them to not seek to become one with a person they fall in love with. You will not be able to then go back to the "marriage is forAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3199387660357003170.post-15029285232686204242009-03-04T08:02:00.000-05:002009-03-04T08:02:00.000-05:00What a difference it would make if all parents und...What a difference it would make if all parents understood and taught this!Pattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01088835513981961640noreply@blogger.com